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Help Us Feed Hungry Families And Individuals In South Wales

Cardiff City Supporters’ Trust – with full backing from Cardiff City – is appealing to Bluebirds fans to help feed those who rely on foodbanks.

A food donation point will be set up from 12.30pm close to the Trust office (near Gate 5) before Cardiff City’s clash against Sheffield United on Saturday, December 4th, 2021.

Food collected will be delivered to the Rhondda Foodbank in Tylorstown and the Trust hopes it will mark the start of further collections for foodbanks across Cardiff and south-east Wales.

Trust board member Richard Lewis said: “We were inspired by the tremendous work of Liverpool and Everton fans under the initiative, Fans Supporting Foodbanks.

“We want to play our part in ensuring vulnerable families and individuals don’t have to choose between eating and heating. The recent removal of £20 a week top up from those who receive Universal Credit, along with the rising cost of fuel and food, has made an already difficult lives for many people even worse.”

Trust vice-chair David Craig, who has visited the Rhondda Foodbank, said: “I was so impressed by the support they give to vulnerable and needy people in what is one of Wales’ most deprived areas with high incidences of child poverty and adult poor health. We know from our past campaigns like the Keenor Statue Appeal how generous Cardiff City fans are. We are certain supporters will get behind this initiative.

“We’re grateful for the immediate support and help of Cardiff City for this initiative and the club has also agreed to provide a van and driver to deliver donated food. With Christmas just a few weeks away, we want to give a helping hand to those that have to use foodbanks.”

Theresa Thomas, External Relations Co-ordinator for the Rhondda Foodbank, explained that in 2020-21 the foodbank provided food to 3,564 clients, including 1,167 children.

“We issue two tonnes of food a month and the foodbank receives no public funding, relying on donations from churches, supermarkets, organisations and private donations.

“We kept the foodbank open throughout the pandemic and didn’t close our doors even at the height of the crisis.  We are seeing a worrying change in the profile of people using the foodbank  and are anticipating a hard winter and will be even more reliant on the generosity of organisations like Cardiff City Supporters’ Trust, Cardiff City FC and the club’s supporters.”

Cardiff City FC Executive Director & CEO, Ken Choo, said: “We’re very pleased to be supporting the Trust’s initiative and doing our bit as a club for families in need at this difficult and often stressful time of year. I’d encourage all supporters to back this appeal when Sheffield United visit us at Cardiff City Stadium in our next home fixture.”

Here is a list of food items most urgently needed by the foodbank: UHT Milk, Tinned Fish, Tinned Meat, Mashed Potato, Chocolate, Orange Juice, Shampoo and Toothpaste. The foodbank tells us it has enough beans, soup and pasta at present. It is not allowed to give out out-of-date food to clients.

  • The Trussell Trust is a supporter of the Rhondda Foodbank. The Trussell Trust is a UK-wide organisation that campaigns to end hunger and destitution. It supports a nationwide network of food banks and together provides emergency food and support to people locked in poverty, and campaign for change to end the need for food banks.

Moving to a Different Beat – Bluebirds Brainteaser Answers

Congratulations to Trust Member Matthew Bullock who was drawn out of the hat as the lucky winner of the £50 first prize of the Bluebirds Brainteaser Quiz in the October edition of Moving to a Different Beat – the Cardiff City Supporters’ Trust magazine.

Here are the questions and the answers:

  1. He played 8 games in goal for us in 2007-08 and went on to win a Champions League Winners Medal – who is he?

Ross Turnbull.  Ross started his career at Middlesbrough where he never really established himself and his loan signing with us was his 6th and last loan spell away from ‘Boro. 2007-08 was a season of many goalkeepers for us when Dave Jones appeared not to know who his first choice would be until he made his mind up very fatefully.  Ross started the season but lost his place to Michael Oakes after 6 league games and 2 league cup games.  Kaspar Schmeichel arrived on short term loan playing 14 times. Michael Oakes then returned to the first team with David Forde also appearing in a couple of FAW Premier Cup games. In January 2008 Peter Enckleman arrived as our 3rd on loan goalkeeper of the season.  Dave Jones then determined that Enckleman was to be first choice. A fateful decision given what happened in the Cup Final? At the end of the season, Ross returned to ‘Boro. At the end of the following season, he signed a 4 year deal with Chelsea where he was always going to be second string to Petr Cech. He was an unused substitute in the 2012 Champions League Final and earned himself a medal. Being the bridesmaid and not the bride at Chelsea worked well for him as he also picked up 2 FA Cup winners medals and a Europa League winners medal. 

  1. Which future Bluebird escaped to victory?

Russell Osman. The 1981 film Escape to Victory was never going to be one that was going to be significant when it came to Oscar nominations. However, it was interesting in that the cast contained a number of prominent footballers like Pele, Bobby Moore, Ardiles, Deyna, Van Himst, Summerbee etc. who were very convincing with the ball at their feet but not when trying to act. Similarly, Michael Caine was convincing when acting the part but not when he had the ball at his feet. Cynics might argue that Sylvester Stallone was convincing neither as an actor nor as a goalkeeper. Seven Ipswich Town players appeared in the film one of which was Russell Osman who signed for the City in February 1996. He had quite a reputation as a former England Schools Rugby International, 11 caps for England at football and a UEFA Cup Winners Medal. However, at 36 his best days were some distance behind him and he only played 15 times in a very poor City team that finished 22nd in Endsleigh Division 3 (4th tier) in one of the worst seasons in the City’s history. His playing career ended on that low note. The following season, after the departure of manager Phil Neal, Osman returned as manager with Kenny HIbbitt as Director of Football which didn’t last long as, soon after, they swapped rôles. A confusing period of who was running Cardiff City ended when both Osman and Hibbitt were replaced by Frank Burrows. 

  1. In a distinguished career that involved 59 International Caps, 2 First Division Championship Medals, and FA Cup and ECWC Winners Medals this player scored the winner on debut at Carlisle in 1993 – who is he?

Kevin Ratcliffe. A player with impeccable credentials. 498 appearances for Everton, 59 caps for Wales many of them as captain. 2 First Division Championship medals, an FA Cup Winners Medals and a UEFA Cup Winners Cup Medal. A class act in his day. After his lengthy career with Everton, he signed for Dundee where he only lasted 4 games. Whether his time at Dundee was short because, initially, he was having to live over a pub or it was down to his doubtful fitness I don’t know but it was certainly true that his lengthy career at the top had taken its toll physically. He signed for the City in January 1993 at a time when the City defence was in need of an old head to calm things down. As a result of the doubts over his fitness, he was signed on a contract to be paid on a match to match basis but at a level, reportedly, significantly higher than any player in the past. Anyway, his presence in the team certainly did the job and the defence became more sure. A sort of Brian Harris for the 1990s. Ratcliffe was never renowned for his goalscoring feats. In 561 games prior to joining the City he had only managed to score 2 goals. However, for Cardiff City he was comparatively prolific. In total, he only played 31 times for us but he managed 1 goal and that was on his debut getting the winner in a 2-1 win at Carlisle. With Stant, Dale, Blake and Pike banging them in that season his rare goal was an unexpected contribution to the team effort. We won Barclays League Division 3 that season (Division 4 in old money). Did you get a medal if you were champions of that division? I don’t know but if he did, I hope it’s in the front of his trophy cabinet.

  1. Kieffer Moore has played football for clubs in 3 Countries – Wales, England and which other?

Norway. Have boots will travel must be Kieffer’s motto. Cardiff City is his 11th club and he has now played more often and scored more goals for us than any other of his previous clubs. One of his stopovers was Viking Stavanger in the Tippeligaen(I’ve heard of Serie A and La Liga but that’s a new one on me). His spell there only lasted 9 games. The conspiracy theorist in me wonders why he transferred from Yeovil Town near a very busy military airfield to Stavanger, home of the NATO Joint Warfare Centre to Forest Green Rovers, no distance at all from GCHQ. Is he, like Austin Powers, an International Man of Mystery? Perhaps he is the next James Bond? I’m writing this just after he has scored a breathless late winner against Huddersfield to end our abysmal run so he’s simply a hero. Let’s hope he continues in that vein. 

  1. We signed this centre half from Cardiff Corries in 1957. He only played 67 times in 6 years but ended up at Northampton where, famously, he was on the losing side on 7 February 1970 in an 8-2 FA Cup defeat to Manchester United when George Best scored 6 – who is he?

Frank Rankmore. A local boy who we signed from Cardiff Corinthians in 1957. In those days Cardiff Corries had a pitch just off Llandaff Road near the Penhill lights (now housing). They were a team that was very much part of the South Wales footballing fabric. Tommy Forse, Neil O’Halloran, Ritchie Morgan and Graham Vearncombe were some Corries players who went on to play for the City. There was a “nursery” link with the City in the days when we were managed by Cyril Spiers and City Chairman Fred Dewey was a former Corries player. When we signed Frank the centre half position very much belonged to Danny Malloy and it wasn’t until the first game of the 1961-62 season against Blackburn Rovers that Frank made his debut. Frank played 37 league games at the centre of our defence that season but we were relegated from Division 1. He was first choice centre half the following season but when John Charles arrived in time for the 1963-64 season Frank found himself down the list behind the great man himself and a young whippersnapper called Don Murray. A fee of £10,000 saw him join Peterborough where he stayed for 5 years before joining Northampton Town in 1968 for £12,000. The fateful day was 7 February 1970 when Northampton Town faced the might of Man Utd. at the County Ground in the FA Cup. In the run-up to this game, George Best had been in full naughty boy mode as he was wont to be having just been banned for 6 games for knocking the ball out of a referee’s hands. It was not a great day for Frank and the rest of the bemused Northampton defence as Best ran riot, Frank also missed a penalty. There is plenty of YouTube footage of the game which is worth checking out if only to see George Best in his pomp. 

  1. A Degree in Chemical Engineering qualified this Nigerian International midfielder to spend the 2010/11 season with us on loan from Hull City – who is he?

Seyi Olofinjana. He played for us in 2010-11 season – a season that ended with the nightmare that was the 3-0 home defeat to Reading in the playoff semi finals. Dave Jones originally signed Olofinjana for Wolves in 2004 and 6 years later signed him on a season-long loan from Hull City. A combative midfield player, the threat of litigation over a tackle by him on Nottingham Forest’s Dexter Blackstock in a game at CCS in November 2010 hit the headlines for a time. Blackstock, who was out for 15 months after the tackle, claimed that his negligent (legalese for ‘dirty”) tackle and consequential knee injury deprived him for earning bonuses. A sum of £50,000 was mentioned. Unseemly arguments between Dave Jones and Forest manager Billy Davies over intent made the press. This legal claim was mooted in 2014 some 4 years after the event. Did anything come of the legal claim? Not that I can find. Answers on a postcard please. Anyway, Seyi is now employing his degree in Chemical Engineering in his rôle as Technical Director of Zurich Grasshoppers.

  1. This England one cap wonder scored on debut as a sub against Leeds in February 2013 and then scored twice on his first start against the Wurzels 2 weeks later – who is he?

Frazier Campbell. Having just seen the City’s memorable win over Huddersfield Town, I was mightily relieved that Sod’s Law that would have determined, in respect of this particular game, that Danny Ward and 34 year old Frazier Campbell would score, did not apply (although it nearly did for Danny). Interim England manager Stuart Pearce picked him for the England squad when he played for Sunderland and he won his only cap as a sub against the Netherlands in 2012. In February 2013, £650,000 persuaded Sunderland to sell him to the City and he scored on debut against Leeds and then twice on his home debut against Bristol City. He was Championship player of the month for his first month with the City. One of his most memorable games for us was the 3-2 win against Manchester City in our first home game in the Premier League. This game is often remembered as a famous victory and when Aron Gunnarsson scored our first ever Premier League goal. What is not always remembered is that Frazier scored the other two including the winner. However, he only scored 4 more Premier League goals for us that season. His spell with us ended with our 1st Premier League season and he signed for Crystal Palace for a fee in the order of £900,000.

  1. Two goalkeepers played for us in 2008 in our FA Cup run to the Final – one was Peter Enckelman who was the other?

Michael Oakes. See the answer to Question 1 for details of the 2007-08 Cardiff City goalkeeper merry go round. Michael Oakes played in the ties at Chasetown in Round 3 where Kevin McNaughton put one past him to put the opposition one up and in Round 4 at Hereford where Kev scored a rare goal at the right end. Dave Jones signed him from Wolves in July 2007, one of his former players. Michael is the son of Alan Oakes who holds the record for the number of appearances in a career for Manchester City. In recent years Michael was goalkeeping coach at Wrexham but fell victim to the Hollywood takeover when he stepped down to allow Phil Parkinson to choose his own staff.

  1. In 1965-66 the City paid which club the princely sum of £2,100 for Gary Bell and George Andrews, a fee which remains to this day a record for the club?

Lower Gornal Athletic (now just Gornal Athletic) Based in Dudley they now play in the West Midlands (Regional) League Division 1. George Andrews was signed as a centre forward and had a decent first season in 1965-66 with 20 goals from 38 games playing alongside the likes of Terry Harkin and George Johnston. However, the emerging John Toshack and the arrival of Bobby Brown rendered him surplus to requirements. He was sold to Southport who broke their club record to buy him for £6,000. He had a successful career there followed by equally successful spells at Shrewsbury and Walsall where he acquired legendary status scoring the only goal in a 1-0 FA cup upset against Newcastle. Gary Bell went on to play with us for 9 seasons. He made his debut at a time when the City defence, in my memory, was at its leakiest. The first 12 games of the 1966-67 resulted in the City conceding 42 goals with 2 defeats by 7 and 2 by 5. Gary made his debut in the 7-1 defeat at Wolves conceding 2 penalties. Signed originally as a left winger, he settled down at left back in a defence eventually consolidated by the arrival of Brian Harris from Everton. After the end of the 1973/74 season, he joined Newport County for whom he played over 100 times. In recent years he has been a popular figure in the club’s hospitality set-up.

  1. Which goalkeeper played in all 55 League and Cup games for the City in the 1990-91 season?

Roger Hansbury. Len Ashurst  signed Roger from Birmingham City for £25,000 in the 89-90 season. Prior to his arrival, the goalkeeping spot had been taken up by an ageing George Wood so it was time for a change. Roger started his career at Norwich City where trying to get in the team instead of the excellent Kevin Keelan proved a bit of an impossibility. His next big club was Burnley where his debut in a 4-1 defeat at Hull did not go well and established his unpopularity there where he was seen as an inadequate replacement for his predecessor Alan Stevenson who had played over 400 games for them. 1990-91 was not a brilliant season. Losing 4-1 at Merthyr in the Welsh Cup was later followed by the FA Cup humiliation when 1,844 City fans saw Hayes hold us to a 0-0 draw at Ninian Park before beating us 1-0 in the replay. We finished 13th in Division 4 that season – ebbs don’t get much lower than that. Having said that I thought he did a decent enough job for us in the circumstances.

 

 

 

Trust Welcome Safe Standing Pilot At Cardiff City

Cardiff City Supporters’ Trust has issued a statement in the wake of the announcement that a Safe Standing pilot scheme will operate at the Cardiff City Stadium from January, 2022.

Trust chair Keith Morgan, commenting on the announcement that Cardiff City is to become a Safe Standing Pilot, said: “It’s great that our club is leading the way in The Championship in developing a Safe Standing area in the stadium. This gives those fans who prefer to stand at matches a much safer way of doing so.

“It is also important to acknowledge Wayne Nash, the club’s head of operations, for his work in ensuring the Cardiff City Stadium application was approved for this pilot by the relevant authorities. Also, we would also recognise the club’s management for providing the necessary funds to put Safe Standing in place from the start of 2022. This is very good news for football fans.”

UK Sports Minister Nigel Huddleston said: “I’m pleased to approve these five clubs as early adopters of licensed safe standing areas for the second half of the season.The time is now right to properly trial safe standing in the Premier League and EFL Championship ahead of a decision on a widespread roll-out.”

  • Since 1994, grounds in the first and second tiers of the English football pyramid have been required by law to be all-seaters. Cardiff City is joining 4 Premier League clubs – Manchester United, Manchester City, Chelsea and Tottenham Hotspur in the trial.

Trust Chair Reports On Meeting With City Executives

Representatives of the Trust, Supporters Club, Disabled Supporters Group plus other fans representatives were invited at short notice to a meeting with Mehmet Dalman, Ken Choo and other club representatives at 11.00 am on the morning of the Middlesbrough home game. The meeting was conducted primarily by Mehmet with occasional contributions by Ken. Given the dire form of the team at the moment it was a sobering experience with further bad news about the financial situation the club finds itself in.

In terms of overall finances. MD stated categorically that there would be no transfer funds available for not only the January transfer window but also next summer. As a number of players’ contracts expire this summer it will be challenging for the incumbent manager. MD stated that Vincent Tan is looking to restructure the finances of the club although specific detail of this proposal was not forthcoming. MD reiterated statements he has made in the past that VT has turned down offers to buy the club and restated VT’s wish that, if he does sell, he will wish to part with the club with it in a better position than when he acquired it. MD emphasised throughout how financially reliant the club is on VT.

The future of Mick McCarthy was discussed at length. Questions from the floor were raised about the possibility of a Director of Football. MD stated that it is an idea which he favours and has put the suggestion forward to VT who, after consideration, turned down the proposal. In terms of any decision regarding the future of Mick McCarthy he emphasised that such a decision would be solely in the hands of VT and no one else. Given that we now know that the Club and MM have parted company, VT’s decision must either have been pre-prepared dependent upon today’s result or sought and communicated very quickly. It was suggested from the floor that, given the success, we are currently experiencing at U23 level, Steve Morison could be appointed as an interim measure whilst the club sorted out a long-term replacement. MD pointed out, given the real risk of relegation, the inherent risks of such an approach. As we now know that is exactly what has happened so we can only assume that the club has risk assessed that approach.

MD gave his assessment of the legal cases currently facing the club. In terms of the court case currently taking place in Cardiff re the arrangements for the fatal flight carrying Emiliano Sala.  He commented on the fact that the evidence was confirming the link directly from the deceased pilot to Henderson to Willie McKay who was acting on behalf of Nantes FC. MD stated that, should the club’s appeal to the Court of Arbitration for Sport (CAS) be unsuccessful, the possibility than would exist for action in the French courts against Nantes FC for the negligent flight arrangements. Interestingly, MD stated categorically that both he and KC were opposed to the transfer of Emiliano Sala and that Neil Warnock had gone over their heads and appealed directly to VT persuading him to approve the transfer which he duly did. MD was asked from the floor why the club was dealing with McKay who had lost his status as a football agent and had also been declared bankrupt. MD’s only answer to that question was that the world of football was full of people like him.

The Michael Isaacs case concerns the dilution of his shareholding by VT’s significant conversion of debt to equity. MD was somewhat dismissive of this action in that Michael Isaac’s valuation of his shareholding would vastly overvalue the club as an entity, mostly a loss-making entity!

In terms of the Sam Hammam case. He implied that Peter Ridsdale was acting in concert with Sam Hammam against the club. If any EFL club are involved in significant litigation the EFL requires that is informed of developments. MD suggested that Ridsdale’s position on the board of the EFL could lead to a conflict of interest.

In response to a question from the floor, MD confirmed that he receives no salary from the club in his position as Chairman.

Fans present were critical of the level of communication with supporters and MD mentioned the possibility of quarterly online meetings. It was also suggested from the floor that an invite be sent to social media outlets such as those who run fan messageboards so that they receive factual updates rather than misleading interpretations that often get posted.

One of the consistent themes throughout the meeting was the absolute control of VT over all matters of significance. MD described the Cardiff City Board as being “unique” in that it is dominated by the owner and (virtually) 100% shareholder. As I have already mentioned MD stated that the change of manager decision was in the hands of VT, all major decisions require the rubber stamp of VT even down to the style of football.

Apparently, VT favours the “direct” style of football which has been a feature of our play in recent times. The fact that this contrasts significantly with the style of football played by our successful Development teams and may risk us not hanging on to our most promising players was pointed out from the floor

Keith Morgan

Chair

Trust Reports On Supporters’ Liaison Meeting

Keith Morgan (pictured) and Rob Jeffery represented the Trust at this week’s Cardiff City Supporters’ Liaison Meeting and below are the notes from that meeting.

Supporters Liaison Meeting 14 October 2021

Present:

Wayne Nash (Head of Operations)

Mona Sabbuba (Head of Ticketing)

Paul Corkrey (Supporters Liaison Officer)

Representatives of :-

Cardiff City Supporters’ Trust

Cardiff City Supporters Club

Disabled Supporters Group

South Wales Police

Away travel coach organisers.

The club will be publishing formal minutes of the meeting but here is a broad overview of the proceedings.

The meeting was run by Paul Corkrey (universally known as Corky) who has replaced Adam Gilliatt as Supporters Liaison Officer. His rôle it is to act as a link between the Club and Supporters Groups.

Covid Passes

Wayne Nash outlined the difficulties faced by the club (and Swansea and the WRU) in implementing the requirements of the Welsh Parliament. It was recognised by the club that the process has not been straightforward for the supporter to obtain either a digital or paper copy of the pass. They have provided guidance on their website in respect of acquiring the necessary documentation, however, they are determined to make a difficult situation work. “Outer perimeters” will be set up within the stadium car park through which fans will be funnelled to have their passes checked. The existing body and bag checks that take place immediately before accessing the turnstile will continue. In order to be as helpful as possible, for those who do not have the necessary documentation the club will make available Lateral Flow Tests although they did point out that results would need to be uploaded to the NHS website to complete the process. Yet again, not an easy process but the club is trying to do its best under the circumstances. The pass checking process prior to the game will be kept under constant review and risk assessed accordingly. The home game against Middlesbrough on 23 October will be the first occasion on which the new rules will be implemented. Middlesbrough FC has been made aware of the fact that their travelling supporters will be obliged to comply with Welsh Government requirements which the EFL have reinforced. A positive note was that the club undertook to continue, whenever possible, the socially distanced seating arrangements in the Upper Ninian Stand. The club will be publishing specific details of how the process will be managed in due course.

Supporters Code of Conduct

The requirement for evidence of double vaccination or negative test will mean a significant revision to the document. The club will be publishing version 5 as soon as possible.

Forthcoming Away Fixtures

The club outlined at length the logistical arrangements for away coaches for the Swansea game. This fixture is the only one where City fans have the added complication of the Covid Pass on top of what is already a problematic away fixture. The club also announced ticket allocations and pricing structures for away fixtures at Fulham, Stoke and Preston North End.

Safe Standing

Wayne Nash outlined the work the club has carried out to provide safe standing areas at the rear of the Canton Stand and in the away section. He said that the club recognise that some supporters do wish to stand and they have tried to cater for that. Wayne emphasised that providing these areas has been achieved in the context of stringent financial conditions in the club and spending in the order of £75,000 has been made to arrive at the current situation. He also inferred that, if we were to be promoted to the Premier League again, the standing areas in the Canton and away section would be expanded.

Season Ticket/Reward Card 

Mona referred to the delays in issuing the season ticket cards which were solely down to activating the reward functionality of the card by an external provider. Whilst the card can be used as a stadium entry card only, she did refer to the fact that many fans had activated the reward aspect of the card and uploaded funds to spend using the card. She reminded everyone that this benefits not only the cardholder but also the club and urged fans to take advantage of this.

Anti Social and Hooligan Behaviour at Games

Police representatives outlined a depressing litany of incidents at various games so far this season. Mostly minor in nature and some avoidable with more informed liaison between respective clubs and Police Forces. The most serious incidents took place at the Millwall home game whereby a steward was knocked down and repeatedly punched on the ground. A total of 10 arrests of Millwall fans during and subsequent to the game have taken place. They will be subject to action in the courts and will be banned for life by Millwall. However, the incidents that will have the biggest impact on the club are the 3 pitch invasions at the Brighton Carabao Cup game which will likely result in a 5 figure fine for the City as well as the reputational damage that goes with it.

Memorial Garden at CCS

After the previous item, the mood of the meeting was lifted when Wayne Nash outlined progress with the development of the Memorial Garden. Its maintenance and development is carried out by local military veterans who volunteer their services as well as other volunteers. Their activity not only enhances the garden but also has a beneficial impact on the volunteers in terms of recuperation. The club keeps a watching eye on activity but leaves planning and managing the work to the volunteers who are planning further planting and the addition of benches. They also raise funds to finance their activities.

Remembrance  Day

The fixture against Huddersfield on 6 November is the nearest to Remembrance Day and the occasion will be marked by a Company of the Welsh Guards who will march at the stadium.  Shortly after they are due to be deployed to Iraq.

Unacceptable Chanting at Games

Under “Any Other Business” the issue of the unacceptability of the “Hymns and Arias” chant was raised from the floor. The sentiment was that the chant was unacceptable and totally distasteful and should be stopped. The Police representatives were in complete agreement with this view. Club representatives were also in agreement. This is not an easy situation to resolve but the general consensus was that it should be pursued. The Trust will follow up on this issue with the other supporters’ groups.